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	<title>Comments on: Change muslin, acknowledge original ? &#8211; dartless pullover</title>
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		<title>By: sewingplums</title>
		<link>http://sewingplums.com/2012/11/17/change-muslin-acknowledge-original-dartless-pullover/comment-page-1/#comment-7638</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 07:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well Marie-Christine as usual with you on the topic of fitting I do need to be more clear about what I&#039;m saying. 

1.  In its simplest form, the casual dartless block has front and back armholes the same, see my post on &lt;a href=&quot;http://sewingplums.com/2011/07/16/the-casual-dartless-block/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the casual dartless block&lt;/a&gt;. Obviously there are also more complex versions. 

2.  Starting from a fitting shell : as I say in the intro to this post, and have said many times before, there is no way of making a fitting shell that I have found, which gives me a good fitting basic without any further work.  I have tried pattern making software, also several pattern making book block drafting instructions, and Sure Fit Designs.  In each case, after following instructions to make a basic block, I had to do a lot of fitting work to get get it to fit well.  So I might as well start from a commercial pattern, it involves no more work.  In the case of pattern making software, it&#039;s actually less work for me to start from a commercial pattern than to try to get software to fit.  And as I have explained to you several times before, I do not have access to a good dressmaker to make a fitting shell for me.   

Most sewing tasks are complex and there are many different ways of doing them.  Each sewer finds the methods that are best for them.  There is no one way that is best for everyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Marie-Christine as usual with you on the topic of fitting I do need to be more clear about what I&#8217;m saying. </p>
<p>1.  In its simplest form, the casual dartless block has front and back armholes the same, see my post on <a href="http://sewingplums.com/2011/07/16/the-casual-dartless-block/" rel="nofollow">the casual dartless block</a>. Obviously there are also more complex versions. </p>
<p>2.  Starting from a fitting shell : as I say in the intro to this post, and have said many times before, there is no way of making a fitting shell that I have found, which gives me a good fitting basic without any further work.  I have tried pattern making software, also several pattern making book block drafting instructions, and Sure Fit Designs.  In each case, after following instructions to make a basic block, I had to do a lot of fitting work to get get it to fit well.  So I might as well start from a commercial pattern, it involves no more work.  In the case of pattern making software, it&#8217;s actually less work for me to start from a commercial pattern than to try to get software to fit.  And as I have explained to you several times before, I do not have access to a good dressmaker to make a fitting shell for me.   </p>
<p>Most sewing tasks are complex and there are many different ways of doing them.  Each sewer finds the methods that are best for them.  There is no one way that is best for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: sewingplums</title>
		<link>http://sewingplums.com/2012/11/17/change-muslin-acknowledge-original-dartless-pullover/comment-page-1/#comment-7633</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sewingplums]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Mandy.  As I have problem shoulders too, I&#039;m always surprised by people who do the shoulder fitting late in the fitting process.  I confess I have not found the Palmer-Pletsch fit books helpful, perhaps because I don&#039;t need an FBA.  I always have fit questions that they don&#039;t answer.  Hurrah for Liechty et al. 

Well done for dealing with a complex body !  And Good Luck with your blouse  :D 

And thanks for the good wishes - I&#039;ve been very fortunate with my health this year, and am continuing to improve.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mandy.  As I have problem shoulders too, I&#8217;m always surprised by people who do the shoulder fitting late in the fitting process.  I confess I have not found the Palmer-Pletsch fit books helpful, perhaps because I don&#8217;t need an FBA.  I always have fit questions that they don&#8217;t answer.  Hurrah for Liechty et al. </p>
<p>Well done for dealing with a complex body !  And Good Luck with your blouse  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>And thanks for the good wishes &#8211; I&#8217;ve been very fortunate with my health this year, and am continuing to improve.</p>
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		<title>By: M-C</title>
		<link>http://sewingplums.com/2012/11/17/change-muslin-acknowledge-original-dartless-pullover/comment-page-1/#comment-7632</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M-C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you&#039;re confusing 2 very different things - dartless and square.  There is no reason why a dartless block should necessarily have a sleeve that&#039;s the same front and back for instance.  In fact to me dartless means you have to pay -more- attention to fit around armholes and sleeves, if you don&#039;t want a real potato bag effect (and I don&#039;t just mean loose either, that&#039;s yet something else).

But to get back to your original point, I&#039;m a bit puzzled by your approach.  You say that because of nonstandard body it&#039;s easier to start with a commercial pattern and then put your fitting changes in.  On the opposite, because of my nonstandard body I start with a fitting shell, and then put on it the design points of a commercial pattern.  I get fine results that way, things that look like the designer&#039;s intention but that still very much fit me, while I&#039;ve never had much success with the opposite.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re confusing 2 very different things &#8211; dartless and square.  There is no reason why a dartless block should necessarily have a sleeve that&#8217;s the same front and back for instance.  In fact to me dartless means you have to pay -more- attention to fit around armholes and sleeves, if you don&#8217;t want a real potato bag effect (and I don&#8217;t just mean loose either, that&#8217;s yet something else).</p>
<p>But to get back to your original point, I&#8217;m a bit puzzled by your approach.  You say that because of nonstandard body it&#8217;s easier to start with a commercial pattern and then put your fitting changes in.  On the opposite, because of my nonstandard body I start with a fitting shell, and then put on it the design points of a commercial pattern.  I get fine results that way, things that look like the designer&#8217;s intention but that still very much fit me, while I&#8217;ve never had much success with the opposite.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandy Cox</title>
		<link>http://sewingplums.com/2012/11/17/change-muslin-acknowledge-original-dartless-pullover/comment-page-1/#comment-7627</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mandy Cox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 21:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lisanne, I identify with much that you say - I also have just earned the &quot;afterglow&quot; of having a muslin that fits beautifully, after two years of hard slog!  For me, the aha moment came when I acknowledged that NO draft was going to give me the back neck and shoulder fit that Kathleen Fasanella (fashion-incubator dot com) describes in her book.  Kathleen&#039;s contention is that all garments hang from the shoulders and until one gets these right, one will always have fitting problems.

Thereafter Leichty et al sloped shoulders alteration D guided me on accommodating my forward sloping shoulders:  I had to take the diagonal tuck in the front pattern piece and then make a corresponding slash in the back, and I left substantial seam allowances (on the outside of the muslin to make adjustments easier) to further adjust  the shoulder seams.  (Walking around for 16 years with an undiagnosed slipped disc caused my spine to re-align itself thereby releasing the pressure on the trapped nerve  -  worked well until I hit my forties!)

My shoulders are also narrow, are different widths and heights so I have different lefts and rights, front and back.  In the course of this week I am going to be putting all this together in a short-sleeved blouse in a non-stretch cotton fabric - the moment of truth!

For my casual pullover top I am going to try the &quot;Y&quot; bust dart alteration from Palmer/Pletsch &quot;Fit for Real People&quot;, that I read about on Sham&#039;s blog (thanks, Shams!).  I might still need little darts for a more flattering fit.

I do enjoy your blog, and am glad you seem to be back in full force since your spell in hospital  -  well done!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisanne, I identify with much that you say &#8211; I also have just earned the &#8220;afterglow&#8221; of having a muslin that fits beautifully, after two years of hard slog!  For me, the aha moment came when I acknowledged that NO draft was going to give me the back neck and shoulder fit that Kathleen Fasanella (fashion-incubator dot com) describes in her book.  Kathleen&#8217;s contention is that all garments hang from the shoulders and until one gets these right, one will always have fitting problems.</p>
<p>Thereafter Leichty et al sloped shoulders alteration D guided me on accommodating my forward sloping shoulders:  I had to take the diagonal tuck in the front pattern piece and then make a corresponding slash in the back, and I left substantial seam allowances (on the outside of the muslin to make adjustments easier) to further adjust  the shoulder seams.  (Walking around for 16 years with an undiagnosed slipped disc caused my spine to re-align itself thereby releasing the pressure on the trapped nerve  &#8211;  worked well until I hit my forties!)</p>
<p>My shoulders are also narrow, are different widths and heights so I have different lefts and rights, front and back.  In the course of this week I am going to be putting all this together in a short-sleeved blouse in a non-stretch cotton fabric &#8211; the moment of truth!</p>
<p>For my casual pullover top I am going to try the &#8220;Y&#8221; bust dart alteration from Palmer/Pletsch &#8220;Fit for Real People&#8221;, that I read about on Sham&#8217;s blog (thanks, Shams!).  I might still need little darts for a more flattering fit.</p>
<p>I do enjoy your blog, and am glad you seem to be back in full force since your spell in hospital  &#8211;  well done!</p>
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		<title>By: sewingplums</title>
		<link>http://sewingplums.com/2012/11/17/change-muslin-acknowledge-original-dartless-pullover/comment-page-1/#comment-7624</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sewingplums]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 12:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Shams, obviously I&#039;m going to have to give in on this - though I do find this top a _very_ generic style !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Shams, obviously I&#8217;m going to have to give in on this &#8211; though I do find this top a _very_ generic style !</p>
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		<title>By: sewingplums</title>
		<link>http://sewingplums.com/2012/11/17/change-muslin-acknowledge-original-dartless-pullover/comment-page-1/#comment-7623</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sewingplums]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 12:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your kind comments Carol.  Perhaps I shall find myself agreeing with you in practice - after all I did mention Cindy Taylor Oates several times in this post  :D  Perhaps we bloggers need to mention clearly both the source and all the changes made, so as not to mislead.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your kind comments Carol.  Perhaps I shall find myself agreeing with you in practice &#8211; after all I did mention Cindy Taylor Oates several times in this post  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />   Perhaps we bloggers need to mention clearly both the source and all the changes made, so as not to mislead.</p>
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		<title>By: sewingplums</title>
		<link>http://sewingplums.com/2012/11/17/change-muslin-acknowledge-original-dartless-pullover/comment-page-1/#comment-7622</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sewingplums]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 12:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good point Steph and I too get very aggravated by my automatic spelling corrector - yes , I&#039;m a haphazard typist so I ought to thank it, but it does have odd consequences. . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Steph and I too get very aggravated by my automatic spelling corrector &#8211; yes , I&#8217;m a haphazard typist so I ought to thank it, but it does have odd consequences. . .</p>
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		<title>By: Shams</title>
		<link>http://sewingplums.com/2012/11/17/change-muslin-acknowledge-original-dartless-pullover/comment-page-1/#comment-7620</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 02:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also credit the original even if I made many changes, whether for fit or design.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also credit the original even if I made many changes, whether for fit or design.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol in Denver</title>
		<link>http://sewingplums.com/2012/11/17/change-muslin-acknowledge-original-dartless-pullover/comment-page-1/#comment-7616</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carol in Denver]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 17:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My opinion is that you should credit the original pattern or design, but also tell of your changes for your own use.  Otherwise, readers might expect to buy the same pattern and achieve excellent fit without personalizing it for their own bodies.  When you explain your changes, it is educational for your readers.

Crediting the original will leave your conscience clear and your readers&#039; opinions of your work unsullied by suspicions of uncredited copying.  It is admirable to see a person choose an attractive pattern and have the vision and skill to make it perfect for her own body, as you do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My opinion is that you should credit the original pattern or design, but also tell of your changes for your own use.  Otherwise, readers might expect to buy the same pattern and achieve excellent fit without personalizing it for their own bodies.  When you explain your changes, it is educational for your readers.</p>
<p>Crediting the original will leave your conscience clear and your readers&#8217; opinions of your work unsullied by suspicions of uncredited copying.  It is admirable to see a person choose an attractive pattern and have the vision and skill to make it perfect for her own body, as you do.</p>
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		<title>By: ms eccentric</title>
		<link>http://sewingplums.com/2012/11/17/change-muslin-acknowledge-original-dartless-pullover/comment-page-1/#comment-7615</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ms eccentric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 16:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More ps: muslin!!!!!! Flipping auto-substitution!!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More ps: muslin!!!!!! Flipping auto-substitution!!!!!</p>
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